Since when does al Qaeda need an "excuse" to attack someone? If al Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq why would they attack Spain because of Iraq? If Iraq was just an "excuse" then it doesn't follow that they would NOT have attacked Spain if Spain weren't in Iraq since they would have simply just found a different excuse. They attacked Spain because they don't want freedom for any part of the middle east and they will kill anyone and anything to meet that objective. If Spain is helping bring freedom to Iraq then Spain is a target. al Qaeda and their ilk are ANTI-FREEDOM and they attack those who are pro-freedom. Spain pulling out of Iraq is a big mistake. You can argue all you want if they should have gone in in the first place but the point is that they are there now and pulling out in response to the bombings give the terrorists the victory they have been looking for.<br><br>Also, I'm very busy today so I can't do as much Googling on this topic as I'd like but it was also suggested ahat the UN take the lead role in Iraqs political future. Please point me to some examples of successful political operations the UN has had a lead role in that have been sucessful so I can narrow my research. I really don't know the UN's track record on this.<br><br>Dean Davis

hahaha oh my gosh! So the entire downfall of American began 'after' Clinton. <br><br>So on November 4, 1979, when Iranian took the American Embassy hostage, in Tehran; what was that? Did they mistake our embassy for the French one?<br><br>The World Trade Center bombing in 93?<br>The bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, in 98?<br>Pearl Harbor? Did the Japanese have thier maps upside down?<br><br>The United States provides more aid in money, food, and medical supplies than any, a n y, other country in the world.<br><br>It's so simple for everyone to take and take from us, and in the same breath curse the very country that's helping them. We prevent wars with our aid. History has shown time and again that when a country had depleated it resrouces, it would invade another and take their resources. Never mind. You willingly ignore reality, and I see no point in telling you these things. <br><br>Those sad smiles you're getting? It's because they can't believe how uninformed you are. <br><br>

Welcome to the Picture Posting club. You win a cookie. But don't eat it. After all it's made by evil, war mongering, gay hating, workers to labor day and night to extract the most harmful chemicals and mix them into the dough.<br><br>

Oh man, you told me! LOL<br><br>[color:yellow]a candle is not there to illuminate itself</font color=yellow>

Nah, I wasn't attempting to 'tell you' anything. Words mearly fail when trying to describe a human train wreck.<br><br>

Well said Ivan! <br><br>_________________________________________<br>http://www.geocities.com/djstefan/bush.gif

i blame mainly Bush jr. & Co. for this, but you know the situation better, draw your own conclusions<br><br>3 years of Bush is just really really unfair to judge us on, though. Versus at least 150-200 years of greatness, that is...And largely on the actions of one administration that is, in a lot of ways, going against the grain of its own people..<br><br>It's a rough spot, nothing more. The 'doom and gloomers' have been predicting the end of American civilization from the beginning. I have no doubt that we'll come through it, stronger and better as a nation than before.<br><br>You almost have to pity us rather than hate us right now...<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>It's a rough spot, nothing more. The 'doom and gloomers' have been predicting the end of American civilization from the beginning. I have no doubt that we'll come through it, stronger and better as a nation than before.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Nero said basically the same about the Roman Empire.<br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in<br>the country,"<br>--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC.</font color=blue>

Funny, but different.<br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>

You're thinking in nationalistic terms, Dean. I understand that it's hard to conceive of a world government, however hedged about with security for the sovereignty of nation-states, or of a world legal structure--but that's exactly what the challenge of terrorism demands from the world at this point in history. Not to move in that direction is, IMHO, a guarantee of continued and continuous disaster. And it's not as if I hide or disguise my notions about world government. The attitude that national sovereignty must be preserved at all cost will, again IMHO, indeed cost a great deal.<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yoyo52 on 03/18/04 11:17 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>