<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>3rd world countries produce more pollution than anyone, and they won't do anything about it<p><hr></blockquote><p>Won't, or can't? The wealthiest nation on earth has no such excuse.<br><br>What a pitiful argument you offer. Desperation, 'gary?<br><br>Moo?

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I know this may sound harsh, but if an 18-year old doesn't know that fighting in a war could mean severe injury or (gasp!) death, then you can't blame the system...<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yes, that does sound harsh. The reality is that 18 year old kids don't consider their mortality. That you don't take that truth into account in your argument shows a lack of honesty. You know as well as I that these are kids with testosterone aplenty and a serious maturity deficiency.<br><br>When your 18 year old son is looking down the wrong end of an RPG or you personally have been in the face of enemy fire, then you have a right to an opinion about the righteousness of sending boys to die in other lands.<br><br>Until then, I think you need to reconsider your stance. I would much rather that you who think it's OK to die in that other land do so than my 18 year old son. <br><br>Moo?

There is no reasoning with such an illogcal statement, like asking the mayor of New York City to be a firefighter and policemen since those jobs are dangerous. This "argument" is so devoid of logic, the rebels in the Matrix should have sent it to the computer core to crash it ;-). Not to mention the hipocracy of those who kneeled before draft-dodging Bill ;-).<br><br>The military is a volunteer service, 18 year olds are sentient, and everyone knows the military has one purpose to kill, and that the ultimate cost of service is possible death. If 18 year olds are old enough to realize rape, murder are wrong and stand trial for it if they commit it, old enough to vote for the office of the most powerful man in the world, old enough to be responsible for their own legal self, then they are old enough to sign-up for service. Enough with the emotional and illogical arguments. They would be laughed off if told to most officers. <br>

Actually, the man is 100% on the dot, and you are jumping the gun. <br><br>First of all, I don't remember China and India being poor, respectivaly the second highest GDP, and fourth highest GDP nations, ranked by purchasing power parity. Second, even my socialists professors back in college stated that cleaning up China would result in greater environmental benefit than any change in US policy. It's like what would reduce the crime rate, cleaning up the urban area, or the suburan?<br><br>Finally, maybe if liberals stop opposing third world trade, and stopped supporting first world subsidies, the third world could grow like China and India have not by embracing holding hands liberal theology or taking welfare for their politicians but by embracing industry and entrepreneurship.<br><br>

Look around you! 75% of the stuff you own says "Made in China" "Made in Indonesia" Made in hell.... and if you go to these countries to see who actually made those products, you will see that it's 10 year old kids with their moms working for 1$ a day. Yes, Fusk GDP and all that carp, go and see how the people live and then we will talk.<br><br>_________________________________________<br>http://www.geocities.com/djstefan/bush.gif

When your 18 year old son is looking down the wrong end of an RPG or you personally have been in the face of enemy fire, then you have a right to an opinion about the righteousness of sending boys to die in other lands.<br><br><br>I don't think I ever mentioned the morality of the situation- I was taking the stance that currently there's NO draft, and that there are plenty of other options for testosterone-laden 18-year-old boys than the armed services. <br><br>There's choice to be made, and I personally don't know anyone stupid enough to ignore the fact that they might be killed in combat when they sign those papers in the recruiting office.<br><br>"Just sign right there son....What? Fight in a war? Get killed? Oh no no no....we don't use those words around here son....we like to think of it as 'aggressive sight-seeing'"<br><br> <br><br>[color:red]You slap my back, I'll slap yours!</font color=red>

Are you seriously saying the Chinese don't benefit from trade? I wish you would go to China and tell that to the face of a nation that was dirt poor three decades ago, and now their GDP per head is $4,700 from a PPP perspective. I wish you would tell that to China's new middle class of people who own homes, and drive cars. I wish you told that the the middle classes ability to send their child now to school, instead of the factory. I wish you told that to a nation that just sent a guy into space, something even Canada hasn't done yet (atleast Canada by herself). I also wish you told that to China's political environment, although definately not free, no where near the 80s.<br><br>China is the world's finest example on how embracing trade, industry and capitalism can lead to tremendous economic growth. Keep this "white-man guilty" stuff for San Francisco, and let the second and third world grow through reason and economics, not emotion and welfare. First world countries can afford the mistake of socialism, the second and third world can't.<br><br>

I can't do anything to please you, can I. Oh wait... I wasn't trying. <br><br>

I never said Chinese in general do not benefit from free trade! They totally do, they own half the products in the World. Kinda like Microsoft. But if you wanna know how the "middle class" live and the every day Joe, go and see. Look at your nike shoes and see. <br><br>_________________________________________<br>http://www.geocities.com/djstefan/bush.gif

Okay, I can see that you are another of the the lazy types who have to be spoon feed an education rather than going out and researching this stuff on your own. <br><br>The answer is 'won't'. The US extends financial and resource aid to countries that want, but can't afford, to improve their envirormental controls. They refuse to take the aid. And before you yelp out yet another uneducated question, it's not just the US that does this. <br><br>