#140385 - 02/18/0403:23 PMJust in! Dean ends campaign
I am glad to hear this, Dean never would have had a chance against Bush. As much as I may like what he stands for, I am a realist too and I know a lefty like that is going to lose against Bush. Kerry has a better chance to beat GWB. In the end, I think they are all crooks and liars, but a more moderate approach to things appeals to me when it comes to electing a president. I also think that you won't see as much plundering of the piggy bank with Bush/Cheney gone. Well, I hope so at least. <br><br>Dean did serve a good purpose though to wake folks up and push things onto the front burner. Gotta give him credit for having the guts to speak out and get our attention. <br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>As much as I may like what he stands for, I am a realist too and I know a lefty like that is going to lose against Bush.<p><hr></blockquote><p>why do you say that he was a liberal (i assume that what's "lefty" implies)? he was very against dubya with regard to the war, but any person not clouded by ideology will likely agree (even moderate republicans)...especially by the time Dean started gaining national attention. anyway, Dean is far from being a liberal with regard to how he governed in vermont...he was very pro business and had the leading republican in the vermont house of representatives singing Dean's praises not too long ago. but, the perception created by the media was that Dean was a liberal and that's stuck to the point that people believe it. <br><br>but, he had no chance versus dubya...Dean just made too many mistakes and came across as being angry, which doesn't sit well with many voters. then, there's that scream. <br><br>
But he used the ultimate left wing flaw. He said right out he would raise taxes. Now I know when you make a good pay, have a new house, a new car etc. and have a job that benefits from higher taxes such as working for a school or for the gov itself that sounds wondeful, but for the average worker bee who gets taxed at every turn and sees little to nothing in return that just doesn't fly. And being "against dubya with regard to the war" will not be perceived by the mainstream as a good thing either. People want to feel safe. I'm only talking about public perception here, but we have not had a terrorist attack since 9/11 and known anti-American governments are now willing to come to the table and talk. So start talking about raising taxes, tearing down the military and being weak on threats to the U.S. and you will not be in the oval office unless the president invites you there.<br><br>
I have a "Gov" job and I still hate paying higher taxes. My property taxes have gone up over 100% in 4 yrs and I am ready to scream. There's no way in hell that I'm going to vote for anybody who wants to raise taxes.<br><br><br>
Salus populi suprema lex
"There's no way in hell that I'm going to vote for anybody who wants to raise taxes." <br>Exactly, a syndicated talk show host in Boston, Howie Carr, has a bumper where he says "I'm not voting for someone who wants to screw Meeeeeee" and that pretty much sums it up fro most people. But, being a firefighter don't you perceive more tax dollars as job security and better equipment and less tax dollars as vice versa? <br>In MA it got so out of hand with everything from sales tax to excise tax that they passed a prop called prop 2 and a half to put a cap on taxes. So they couldn't raise my property tax, but the local mayors just reassess your house at a higher value. I still paid more property tax every year than the year before.<br><br>
he didn't call it raising taxes as much as restoring them to the rate they were when the country was living large on a good economy.<br><br>but, people who get caught up in just taxes are missing a larger picture (imho). we get a $300 or $600 tax break and then our property taxes go up hundreds and state taxes go up to compensate and college tuition rises more in the last 2 years than in the last 15 years combined. fees are going up for everything...health insurance is going way up and regular folks are paying more to have it. the difference in taxes from Dean's rate to dubya's for most people is not close to making up the many other costs that have gone up...for most people (upper middle class on down...and, people at the low end are really being screwed because they don't pay or pay very little in income taxes, yet all fees are going up bunches for them).<br><br>
#140394 - 02/19/0402:29 AMRe: Just in! Dean ends campaign
Yeah whatever, it's the public's perception of Dean that counts in th end Sean. He is I believe quite liberal on social issues and that won't fly with most middle of the road folks. He may be a fiscal conservative type, but he's still perceived as a way too liberal candidate. Anyway, someone more moderate has a hell of a better chance than Dean would have had. It's just a fact of life in the US, no way around it. I may have my own radical views on many things, but I also realize that to govern you have to be more of a centrist. I am okay with that, you can't blow against the wind unfortunately and expect to make any headway. <br><br>
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