Don't worry, Alex--it's not as if PA were a pivotal state or anything <br><br>

True, but it's that warm and fuzzy feeling you get afterwards that really counts! <br><br>

I'd feel warmer and fuzzier if you could vote.<br><br>

There's an old saying. If your under 30 and not liberal you have no heart. If you're over 30 and not conservative you have no brain. <br><br>You'll get there.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>There's an old saying. If your under 30 and not liberal you have no heart. If you're over 30 and not conservative you have no brain. <br><p><hr></blockquote><p>Hehe, silly old people. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You'll get there.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>I certinly hope not. <br><br>

Here's part of an essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson on "Conservatism and Liberalism."<br><br>[color:blue]There is always a certain meanness in the argument of conservatism, joined with a certain superiority in its fact. It affirms because it holds. Its fingers clutch the fact, and it will not open its eyes to see a better fact. The castle, which conservatism is set to defend, is the actual state of things, good and bad. The project of innovation is the best possible state of things. Of course, conservatism always has the worst of the argument, is always apologizing, pleading a necessity, pleading that to change would be to deteriorate; it must saddle itself with the mountainous load of the violence and vice of society, must deny the possibility of good, deny ideas, and suspect and stone the prophet; whilst innovation is always in the right, triumphant, attacking, and sure of final success. Conservatism stands on man's confessed limitations; reform, on his indisputable infinitude; conservatism, on circumstance; liberalism, on power; one goes to make an adroit member of the social frame; the other to postpone all things to the man himself; conservatism is debonair and social; reform is individual and imperious. We are reformers in spring and summer; in autumn and winter we stand by the old; reformers in the morning, conservers at night. Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth. Conservatism is more candid to behold another's worth; reform more disposed to maintain and increase its own. Conservatism makes no poetry, breathes no prayer, has no invention; it is all memory. Reform has no gratitude, no prudence, no husbandry. It makes a great difference to your figure and to your thought, whether your foot is advancing or receding. Conservatism never puts the foot forward; in the hour when it does that, it is not establishment, but reform. Conservatism tends to universal seeming and treachery, believes in a negative fate; believes that men's temper governs them, that for me, it avails not to trust in principles; they will fail me; I must bend a little; it distrusts nature; it thinks there is a general law without a particular application,--law for all that does not include any one. Reform in its antagonism inclines to asinine resistance, to kick with hoofs; it runs to egotism and bloated self-conceit; it runs to a bodiless pretension, to unnatural refining and elevation, which ends in hypocrisy and sensual reaction.<br><br>And so whilst we do not go beyond general statements, it may be safely affirmed of these two metaphysical antagonists, that each is a good half, but an impossible whole. Each exposes the abuses of the other, but in a true society, in a true man, both must combine.</font color=blue><br><br>

sounds rational to me.<br><br>Trör Ironbrow<br><br><pre>[color:blue]The butterfly counts not months but moments, and has time enough</font color=blue></pre><p>

I am done with this rediculous conversation. Sure, it's easy to blame America for the world's problems as we are the only superpower. Our economy here in the States is doing quite well. And I'll be the first to admit that I don't really know much about the world economy (except that I've head that France's economy is reeling due to American's boycotts of French products - and that gives me a warm feeling inside).<br><br>Treebeard, don't think that your opinions aren't based on spin either. Everybody loves to hate the US. Oh well. Maybe the US should shut their borders and cut off trade with the rest of the world, since nobody likes us anyway. <br><br>Let us not forget which country gives (NOT loans) the most aid (financial and otherwise) to other countries. Time for the rest of the world to stop pissing all over the US.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Sure, it's easy to blame America for the world's problems as we are the only superpower.<p><hr></blockquote><p>People can think whatever they want to about the US. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Our economy here in the States is doing quite well.<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's really not what i have been seeing and hearing.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And I'll be the first to admit that I don't really know much about the world economy (except that I've head that France's economy is reeling due to American's boycotts of French products - and that gives me a warm feeling inside).<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, I'm glad you get your kicks from others suffering. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Everybody loves to hate the US. Oh well. Maybe the US should shut their borders and cut off trade with the rest of the world, since nobody likes us anyway. <p><hr></blockquote><p>That's possibly one of the most foolish things I've heard in a while. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Let us not forget which country gives (NOT loans) the most aid (financial and otherwise) to other countries. Time for the rest of the world to stop pissing all over the US.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>At no point in time have i ever helped anyone for the sole reason of gratification. And quite frankly i couldn't care less how much other people piss on the US, I would still help them if i could.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I am done with this rediculous conversation<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's ok, i like talking to myself anyways. <br><br>

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