Loc: I am not Big Ben
Glad I am too to see that there are some able to see and some able to be brave enough to speak out against the tyranny we know exists. We need however, much greater movement. We need to cause presidents to feel that ecological issues are greater than economic. We need much greater than even that. We need presidents to feel in the core of their gut that they will lose the election if they do not attend such summits and pledge their country's allegiance to saving the planet for our sons and daughters... not to mention all of God's creatures great and small.<br>Religious differences, cultural differences, may have been used as an excuse to create war, in the past by the business interests hiding behind the facade. The facade of avoidance.<br> <br>However it is not that there are such religious differences. People swap religions regularly without harm or violence or the wrath of God falling upon them. We all believe in the same God. We all live on this planet together. Whatever our culture or faith.<br><br>Why begin on religion and culture in this thread? Well apart from being topical.. I wanted to use this quote from an Orthodox Greek Christian to Islam convert.. "but where do the children play?".. Cat Stevens 1972.<br><br>
What we really need is to get down to reality! Oil isn't going anywhere until there is none left. The economy would crumble and nobody is gonna buy the alternative fuel cars available right now anyway. The car companies can make better ones, because it costs too much and the stock-holders would have their heads - because the stock-holders are OIL COMPANIES!!! Get it??? It's a never-ending loop of BS!<br><br><br>[color:red]semicolon dash parenthesis</font color=red>
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Loc: I am not Big Ben
That is the way they want us to see it. Yes it is true but we can walk in and demand a car that does not use oil based fuel. The whole thing is consumer driven. Supply is nothing without Demand.<br>We can demand Bio diesel be produced from waste vegetable oil, we can stiop the production of GM foods, we can demand natral fibre clothing.<br>What we are currently suffering as a supply driven market.. they supply nylon sox for a cheaper price than wool or hemp or cotton. We buy it and therefore the figures show that there is a demand for a greater supply of nylon sox. When in reality most of us would much rather wear something else.<br><br>We need to show our voice.. Nobody can win an election if we do not want them to. No governemt can even enforce us to a military state for long. These things have been proven in the past. <br><br>What has to happen is that demand has to outstrip supply enough for supply to change direction.<br>
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Unfortunitly it is very hard to get people to care about what sock they ware or what there car runs on, they just want the cheaper more powerful one. They are taught this though all of the commercials and propaganda created by the companies making this crap anyway. it has been and always will be very hard to get people to care about the ecosystem when they would rather just save a buck or two.<br><br>
It would be quite discouraging and comfortable to say that nothing we can do.<br><br>Everyone should do his/her own part. If you're in the governement or in management of a big corporation, you can do much more than if you're "just" a consumer, but you can still make a difference, which will show as trends on corporations research charts.<br><br>Big changes never happen in a day. If we all just talk about it and just do a little bit of a change in our lifes we will move the world to the right direction. And trends will move investments. For example, next time you buy a car you ask the dealer if he sells electric cars, so that he can report to his superior that several people asked for such a car. You can also vote for the guy who promises to do something and vote against people like GWB.<br><br>I for example refuse to print stuff at my job when I can. I always try to send everything digital. I also try to buy food with less packaging. I have a big car (which I feel bad about), but I'm planning to buy a bike for the winter months. I've planted 9 trees this year. It's not much but it gives the idea.<br><br>
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Loc: I am not Big Ben
surely yes it does pay to be positive.<br>it also pays to try.<br>i have planted and nurtured, grafted, budded, dug up and planted again more than 6 million trees, in my time.<br>20 miles on a pushbike?<br>i have ridden hundreds of miles on single trips.. averaging one hundred miles a day when I do so.<br>i have been instrumental in making changes to government environmental directives, on a local as well as state and federal scales.<br>money? i have none.<br>happy with what i have done? <br>if i die tomorrow i know i have made my mark<br>towards making these times less dark.<br>surely others can do a fraction of that and be proud too. <br><br>
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
I agree with both of your statements, they are both the things that we need to be doing as a hole, but if there is still a large market of people who want a big SUV, it will take just as long as in the past to get things done. However if you say vote for the guy who will make changes in the Government or write to your congressmen about issues you want to be addressed you will get much more done but only if you do the same things both of you have listed at the same time. I agree with both of your statements, they are both the things that we need to be doing as a hole, but if there is still a large market of people who want a big SUV, it will take just as long as in the past to get things done. However if you say vote for the guy who will make changes in the Government or write to your congressmen about issues you want to be addressed you will get much more done but only if you do the same things both of you have listed at the same time. <br><br><br>
Loc: Southern Lake Superior
Are you referring to the meeting on "sustainable development?" <br><br>If so, I think the Summit is a sad comment on the lack of faith in human ability that some people have. <br><br>[b][color:green]Stumpy</font color=green>[b]
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