they're just a sign to a pro that you took the easy way out!<br><br>And to me, it's just that they never quite achieve the effect that you need. They always look different in every browser, and more often than not you get the ugly scroll bars that force you to not only go up and down in a frame, but side to side....that's just hideous.<br><br>Unless, of course, you intended for the user to scroll side to side.<br><br>Bottom line- I never liked em'- they just look tacky.<br><br>[color:red]DaddyMac's MP3 to AAC conversion: left to go...</font color=red>