When a thread that begins as a political discussion turns into days of personal bickering, pychoanalysis of other's opinions ( yes, guilty), and talk about forum members not participating in the thread, then it is a clusterf*ck. We've been down this path before ... with or without the involvement of socks. I don't believe it has anything to do with your stated opinion of a left-leaning forum. But you can. And yes, your wiener is small, your mother never loved you, and the flying unicorn in your dream does represent your failure to earn the respect from the people that know you. laugh