while i don't agree with your "evidence" i also have never seen anyone supporting or representing any of those groups in our discussions. in essensce, you're creating a straw man to give credence to your position. and, even if those groups don't think we should fight "our" definition of terrorists, i am willing to bet that some of those groups think terrorism should be stopped and they might even see the U.S. as a terrorist state. your definition of terror is not necessarily the same as theirs.<br><br>nice to see the groups you named are all significant. i grabbed one at random and:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The Revolutionary Organization 17 November, based in Greece, was one of the most active terrorist groups in Western Europe in the 1980’s. The group's name derives from the November 17, 1973 student uprising in Athens that was violently quelled by the military junta ruling Greece at the time.<br><br>17 November is a violent Marxist-Leninist organization. It's ideology is anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, and anti-United States/NATO. The group has been critical of the Greek government for not addressing issues such as the situation in Cyprus, the presence of US bases in Greece, and Greek membership in NATO and the European Community.<p><hr></blockquote><p>are they even still a group or have they just stopped using violence in the last 10 years?<br>another one at random: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Kach (Hebrew for "Only Thus") was founded by radical Israeli-American rabbi Meir Kahane. The stated goal of Kach and its offshoot Kahane Chai, which means "Kahane Lives," (founded by Meir Kahane's son Binyamin following his father's assassination in the United States), is to restore the biblical state of Israel. Both organizations were declared terrorist organizations by the Israeli Cabinet in March 1994. This followed the groups' statements in support of Dr. Baruch Goldstein's attack in February 1994 on the al-Ibrahimi Mosqueand their verbal attacks on the Israeli Government. Goldstein was affiliated with Kach.<p><hr></blockquote><p>have they done anything in the last 10 years?<br>Sendero Luminoso? <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Although considered a legitimate insurrection by some and a repressive, reactionary movement by others, no one can deny the violence and bloodshed directly and indirectly attributed to the emergence of Sendero Luminoso. With the beginning of the urban strategy in the late 1980s and the involvement in the coca trade in the Upper Huallaga Valley soon after, it seemed all of Peru was a war zone. Flagrant human rights abuses by the military and its U.S.-trained counter-guerrilla forces (Sinchis) and the numerous killings of independent grass roots organizers, local politicians and unsympathetic civilians by Sendero Luminoso left the people of Peru caught in the middle.<br><br>Then on September 12, 1992 Presidente Gonzalo (Guzmán’s nom de guerre) was captured during a raid of a safe house in Lima. Considerably weakened, Sendero has lost much of its role in determining the future of Peru. <p><hr></blockquote><p>what have they been up to in the last 10 years?<br><a href="http://www.ict.org.il">source for quotes</a><br>many of these groups are a nuisance to the country in which they reside, but most are hardly the global terrorists that we currently battle (not counting the distraction in iraq where we're losing the hearts and minds of the overwhelming majority of the population in the middle east).<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
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